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  • From Simon Brown on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

    Hi Steve, great read. I have a 2001 Sprinter 316CDi motorhome, just got it (sold my reliable 312 Sprinter self build) and have had it go into limp mode a couple of times now. Not sure what sets it off but I drove through the last one and it picked back up after a couple of miles, the one before was after sitting in 2 hours of traffic, it went into limp, pulled over to take a look (and google it) then after 30mins of faffing around drove off to find a garage but it was working fine so carried on (no issues again on that trip of about 140 miles until the next trip where it went after about 30 miles) – no indications on the dashboard just restricted revs of approx 3000 and a severe lack of power.
    Does this sound like a control valve problem, I’ve had a look for any obvious leaks, wiring problems and all looks good? Have a Mercedes garage nearby but want to use the van (and have enough problems sorting out a supposedly fixed leak in the roof!)
    Many thanks
    Simon

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

      Hi Simon,
      Strange that it should occur after a period of time stuck in traffic idling. Maybe its fuel related. Have you changed the diesel filter recently? This would be my first point to address.

      Secondly I would be looking toward the camshaft sensor, it sits on the back top of the rocker cover and gets some real abuse from temperature extremes. iIs more likely to go faulty when it gets hot. This would be my second stab in the dark. Obviously a code read with a good MB compatible reader would be the best starting place as its ‘parts darts’ without this info.

      Check out the brake light switch above the the pedal, make sure its working with a test meter. Its a dual switch one side operates the brake lamps the other tells the ECU brakes are being applied – common problem and a cheap fix.

      It goes without saying turbo boost leaks are the most common cause of limp-home activation and you should check in the hard to see places such as the connections to the intercooler where oil staining will be the giveaway there is a leak, if its all clean and tidy then it is generally leak free. The big hose that goes to the inlet manifold splits underneath where you cant see it, remove the hose and flex it all over and look for cracks/splits.

      Let me now how you get on.

      All the best Steve

      • From Simon Brown on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

        Many thanks for the reply – I have booked it in for a visual inspection and a fault code check on Tuesday, I’ll report back afterwards, I just hope they know what they are looking for as I have had parts replaced in the past on other vehicles that didnt resolve problems.

        Would the Filter (no idea when it was last changes, I think about 6000 miles ago) or cam shaft sensor leave a stored fault code as the problem is intermittent it would be my luck they cant repeat the issue when they have it?

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          From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

          Simon,
          I have had a sprinter in today with the exact same problem, it was the brake light switch above the pedal.
          All the best
          Steve

          • From Simon Brown on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Ended up changing over the boost actuator valve before the journey and 250 miles later, no issues. Thanks for your help, hopefully the problem is solved.

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            From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Great news Simon.
            Regards Steve

          • From Simon Brown on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Had the Sprinter in today and got the following codes
            P0703-001 Brake Signal(CAN)
            P1470-016 Charge Pressure Control – Charge Pressure is too low

            Discounted the Brake signal as last time this was recorded was over 10K Km ago. Advised to check the following: cable routing from the Boost Actuator valve for chaffing (take bumper off), if no problem then change the Boost Actuator valve, if not resolved then could be the turbo itself, if not that then the ECU.

            I purchased a brake switch (just in case and it was cheaper than ebay) and a Boost Actuator Valve. I’ll check the cable tonight then take the van out this weekend (about 300 mile trip this time) and take the boost actuator with me and change if the problem persists. There were no codes on the fuel pressure or camshaft sensor so I guess its narrowed down a bit.

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            From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Hi Simon, this a classic boost leak code, split in pipework, cracked or holed intercooler or poorly secured hose clips. Have a second look around. Inspect the turbo by dropping off the intake hose, grab hold of the spindle and see how much play you have (engine off of course ;)), there should be some up and down play and this is quite normal, check the vanes for damage and see if anything has been catching. Hopefully all will be ok and no bits will be missing from the blades! Is there excessive oil in the turbo mouth? – again some is acceptable and frankly normal in this set up. Lets see what your 300 miler brings, drop me a line when you get back.
            All the best
            Steve

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          From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

          All codes should be stored Simon, a blocked or reduced flow diesel filter will normally flag ‘fuel Low Pressure delivery pressure faults’, and the Camshaft sensor will flag ‘camshaft and crankshaft synchronisation error – no camshaft signal’ Brake pedal switch -‘brake signal implausable’. Good luck Steve

  • From Dunk Lamont on Mercedes Diesel Injector Advice - Sprinter and others

    Hi Steve, Cracking article on doing the injector seal repair. Can you tell me, do you have an article on removing cylinder head from a 2004 Vito 109 639?

    Thanks in advance

    Cheers

    Dunk

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Diesel Injector Advice - Sprinter and others

      Hi Dunk,
      I suppose because its such a dirty job and time consuming I have never taken pictures as I have worked and to be honest they tell the story a lot better than the written word. As your vehicle is a 2004 W639 rear wheel drive the power plant is the same as a 4 cylinder sprinter and there is this excellent article here that should give you all the pointers you need, just imagine its on a Vito and accept there will be some minor differences to ancillaries and pipework, but in general you should be go to go with this.

      http://sprintervanconversion.weebly.com/cylinder-head-removal.html

      Thanks for the positive comments, I hope this helps you out.

      All the best Steve

      • From Dunk Lamont on Mercedes Diesel Injector Advice - Sprinter and others

        Hi Steve
        Thanks for the fast reply & the link to this information, it is much appreciated

        Keep up the great work

        Cheers
        Dunk

  • From dinkey on Mercedes Diesel Injector Advice - Sprinter and others

    good day

    firstly I would like to say that the comments etc are very well documented and very helpful, the question I would like to ask is if all 4 injectors have been removed and then replaced in any random order would this effect the running of the engine,i had mine removed and the injector seats machined and from then the vehicle does not want to run properly.

    sorry I forgot to mention that I have a 2009 Mercedes vito

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Diesel Injector Advice - Sprinter and others

      Hi There,
      Assuming that there is no diesel leaking from the recut seals and all is fine, tight and dry then I would check out the electrical connectors to the injectors, make sure they are fully home and clicked in, if the tabs have been broken use tie wraps to hold the plugs in tight. Each injector is ‘classified’ or calibrated by a dealer diagnostic tool, to each cylinder so you may expect some running issues. In my own experience, this is only a ‘fine tuning’ and to be honest the engine should run 80-90 per cent good, if its rough and very poor look for other related troubles.

      When the injectors were removed from the head, did they use a slide hammer tool to remove them that screw fits on the inside of the injector? With these you have to remove the injector solenoid, there is a danger if this is done that parts are dislodged or lost (small ball bearings etc) from the solenoid mechanism of the injector. If of course the heads of the units have not been disturbed – discount this. Look for damage to the wiring in the loom on the head by the injector rail, especially to the camshaft sensor on the rocker cover rear as this can get pinched if care is not taken when removing the rearward injector.

      I hope this helps you out in some way.

      All the best
      Steve

      • From dinkey on Mercedes Diesel Injector Advice - Sprinter and others

        thanks Steve I will try this and give you some feed back

        Regards

        Dinkey

  • From Craig on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

    Hi Steve, I bought a 2010 mercedes sprinter 313 from a lease company 4 mths ago,at 64000 miles with full service history. Felt the van has never been right from the word go. Diagnosis from mercedes is low fuel pressure. Symtoms are when the vehicle is fully heated up it goes into limp mode, especially under load. Had numerous diagnosis so firstly changed fuel filter (Merc), secondly changed fuel tank including sensor, then took it to mercedes trucks, It was advised I changed the quantity control valve and replace broken studs on the inlet manifold. I Had this work done at a huge cost, only to find out the problem still exists. Mercedes have informed me the fault codes still exists but are “stored fault” in the ecu. For some reason the star diagnosis can’t communicate with the ecu to clear the fault unless this is a live fault?? Also the management light doesn’t seem to be coming on, which isn’t helping matters. Biggest shock was still to come, mercedes also inform me they have a mileage reading from the ecu of 237000 kilometres ( 147000 miles). I have done 20000 miles since purchase which equates to 127000 miles when I bought it. I contacted the lease company to be told the is a possibility the ecu could have been swapped from another van, due to a lost key( sounds like b… sh.t . Mercedes have confirmed that I have the original ecu for my van which ties in with chassis nos. I am now in limbo and left without a working van whilst mercedes contact technical to hopefully find some answers. Totally baffled, and wondered if you can shed some light to my problems.

    • From mike on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

      some great advice there steve ! I had a similar problem and i had to change the injector pump

      regarding the mileage – the ecu has clearly been clocked. i suggest you get advice form the police / governing body / solicitor. you may able to get some money back and hopefully it will pay for a new pump

      Steve where is your workshop based / called ?

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        From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

        Hi there,
        Its a largish job to change the miles shown on the speedo as it has to be done by dismantling the pod to get to the PCB then needs some clever clipping to the chips on the board. Also to get the display not to show ——– you also need to reprogram the ignition key unit with the new miles so that they correspond. This is also a dismantle it to the PCB job.
        Given that even if most of the miles were done prior to the first MOT and it was adjusted then, the service history would have not correspond with the dates/miles etc.
        I would still not rule out the ECU as possibly faulty as it all seems a lot of trouble to go to for a small financial gain and really I doubt a leasing company would not risk their reputation as they have usually made a huge profit over the lease period anyway.

        Interesting all the same.
        Regards
        Steve

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

      Hi Craig,
      Seems you have some difficulties to overcome!
      My first feelings regarding the fuel pressure issue when warm (if they have in fact measured the rail pressure) would be:
      If the problems are in low pressure fuel delivery:
      Fuel delivery pressure sensor, this lies on the right hand side front (looking into the engine bay) pointing down, just below the intake manifold on the block, Tee’d into the low pressure fuel line. (You may have had this changed but from the description its a little difficult to be sure)
      If its high pressure the most common problem would have been the rail pressure regulator but it reads from your description that this has been swapped so discount that. There is a chance that if the HP rail pressure is actually dropping it may be the high pressure pump that is giving trouble when warm. Having re-sealed a couple of these that were leaking they are high tolerance devices and do wear, I can only imagine that maybe the internal components are worn not allowing full pressure once temperature has risen. This is the triangular pump on the front of the engine. A diesel specialist will be able to test this out for you, or maybe purchase a used good one for about £70 to £100 dependant on age. I feel having gone this far and pretty much discounted most of the common stuff the High pressure pump would be next on the list. The EML lamp does not always illuminate, it all depends on the level of fault, I am sure if the fuel pressure returned to normal the ECU would reset the LHM on next key operation.

      See here for a bit of background, makes interesting reading, look specifically in the paragraph regarding faulty HP diesel pump.

      http://www.dieseljones.co.uk/troubleshoot-a-diesel-engine.html

      The ECU does record miles/kms internally and also does the speedo pod, changing one does not change the other, its a specialist job to change the recorded miles on either so really unlikely if you have a service history to back up the claimed mileage. What may have happened is that the ECU is faulty and the recorded internal odo reading is screwed. This is further backed up by the inability of the STAR to read/clear the ECU – Indeed if anything can read it this should! Of course there is a chance just as the miles are reading incorrectly that the signal from the fuel rail is being interpreted incorrectly by a faulty ECU and giving rise to the problem you see.

      The ECU works in conjunction with the DAS module (Driver authorisation system) that lives behind the speedo binnacle/inside the column. If you could get this module, its matching key and main ECU you could swap the whole thing and see if any improvement was seen. The dealership have the ability to program a new ECU to your existing DAS and this would be the cheapest method, and you would be sure the ECU was of the correct type for the vehicle.

      All in all a very unfortunate set of circumstances that I hope they will soon get to the bottom of.

      Do let me know how you get on.
      All the best
      Steve

  • From gggGary on Mercedes Sprinter Heater Blower Motor Brush Replacement

    While you have it apart lube the bearings. I am good with white lithium spray grease, the solvent lets the grease into the bearing then evaporates. Blower motor dry bearings are common and will eventually destroy the motor fan a penny now will save a pound later not to mention years of squealing less than great blower operation.

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Heater Blower Motor Brush Replacement

      Could not have said it better myself, thanks Gary.
      All the best
      Steve

  • From AP - vic on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

    Nice overview and description.

    Removing the air box hose to listen for turbo operation may not work on the newer style OM647 5 cylinder. There is one report that the engine would start and then cut out quite quickly with the hose off.

    Here is a thread.

    Starts for one second then dies
    http://www.sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34217

    vic

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

      Useful info as always, cheers Vic.
      Best Regards
      Steve

  • From shazza on Poor First Gear Selection - Manual Gearbox Problem W639 Vito - Cure

    How long do you think this oil will last as just bought a 55 plate vito 109cdi minibus and Def a problem changing from 1st to 2nd although feelsa bit better if I start off in 2nd sometimes

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      From Steve Ball on Poor First Gear Selection - Manual Gearbox Problem W639 Vito - Cure

      Hi there,
      If you have problems with the gearbox internals currently, then you could really ask the same question of the existing oil and current mechanical condition – so that really is a bit of a mute point. The thing is, if you can improve the situation then all well and good, the oil is gearbox rated and fully synthetic so should be at least on par as what is installed currently. I have now done appx 20,000 miles now and no ill effects. Its worth a shot. If you save the old oil you can always put it back in if there is no improvement and you feel more comfortable by doing that.
      Give it a go!
      All the best Steve

  • From Bob Smith on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

    Hi Steve
    I have a 2002 Hymer motorhome (UK) based on a 316 cdi Sprinter (2.7l Sprintmatic). I have had this limp-home problem intermittently for a few years. On a recent trip I noticed that it seemed in part associated with the aircon: if the aircon was switched off then there seemed to be no problem, as soon as I switched the aircon on then I lost (turbo?) power – acceleration was poor and wouldn’t climb hills but I could get it above 60mph on the flat. I am not sure that the previous incidents were so linked and I can’t see any mechanical link although there may well be some electrical issue. We first noticed the issue in Portugal (hot). I have checked the various hoses as best I can given the motohome bodywork and could not find any obvious splits or leaks. The boost actuator moves when the engine is running. BTW we had a gearbox problem in Portugal which was fixed by a new pump and valves. A few months later we had the same gearbox issue so I had the van serviced by Pentagon who said there were no fault codes flagged either for the gearbox or the limp home problem. We are due to go to Spain in a month or so and I would like to sort this out.
    Regards
    Bob

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

      Hi Bob,
      First inclination is that the turbo actuator vacuum is being effected/starved when you use the AC, thus not then functioning correctly (pulling the turbo actuator rod ineffectively). This is most likely a physical vac leak, split pipe or faulty reserve sphere (next to air box) The AC will draw some vac to operate the internal flaps inside the cabin etc, if the supply pipework to this or other related components is faulty then there will be a degree of vac loss/leakage. This could have an effect on the vac available at the turbo actuator, causing limp home (no turbo boost) this condition would NOT necessarily cause the dash MIL lamp to light. If the vehicle is otherwise mostly trouble-free then look here first.

      The auto gearbox will also cause limp home, but possibly with a combination of locking the gearbox into one ‘safe’ gear to prevent transmission damage. If you have had this competently repaired, then this I doubt will be the root cause of the on going power loss problem (which you have had all along) – this issue is caused by the transmission ECU ‘locking down’ the gearbox and limping the engine in a safe mode, this would normally give you a dash indication on the MIL lamp.

      I hope this gives you some pointers and its at least a little help to a painful intermittent problem. Let me know how you get on.

      All the best Steve

      • From simon on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

        I have a problem but with a crafter vw made by mercedes. Seem to have a air noise when the revs drop back down to a round 900-1000.
        The noise seems to be coming from behind the engine in the middle somewhere.
        Start up the van and I dont have any nosie apart from the ticking of the vacuum pump what seems to be a normal fault. Drive the van for 5 mins and it seems to start making thus noise every time it drops the revs. Ect changing gear or stopping at trafic lights. Seems to be slowly getting louder. Just had to change the exhaust pressure sensor today at it was faulty and a new turbo hose last week. All seems fine with them.

        Any help would be great.

        Thanks
        Simon

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          From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

          Hi Simon,
          Is this leaking sound perhaps exhaust gas?, maybe the exhaust manifold or exhaust to turbo flange connection is blowing. Perhaps when the engine is cold the leak is sealed only opening when the engine/exhaust gets warm. Did you disturb anything when you changed the sensor?
          Check this out.
          All the best
          Steve

  • From Paul McEvoy on Leaking Headlamp Washer Jet - Cure

    Thank you for posting this, solved my problem perfectly.

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      From Steve Ball on Leaking Headlamp Washer Jet - Cure

      Thanks for the comment, glad it worked out.
      All the best
      Steve

      • From Gary T on Leaking Headlamp Washer Jet - Cure

        On my 320 the headlight washers just leak from the jets after first use, as the water just syphons out is there a knackered anti syphon valve missing somewhere?

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          From Steve Ball on Leaking Headlamp Washer Jet - Cure

          Hi Gary, I think you will find the shut off is actually a function of the telescoping jet assembly, its worth a look at the post on repairing this it could cure your problem.
          All the best Steve

  • From joe on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

    I have a 2008 Mercedes sprinter 209 it has engine eml light flashing and has no power fault code p2624 any ideas where to start

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

      Hi there Joe,
      Fuel pressure related fault, I would replace the fuel filter first. If still no change look for problems in the wiring loom to the engine, especially look where the loom branches from the block to the inner engine bay, could be a short or problem of some sort in that region. You would be best to get a code read with some form of live-data display so you can be more specific where the fault lies as this code is a generic code and non specific for fuel pressure related problems. Filter swap first.

      All the best Steve

      • From joe on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

        hi steve thanks for the quick response ok I have changed fuel filter and have bought a cheap scanner put a diagnostic on myself code p0101 and p1955 shall I snapshot live data for you to look at
        cheers joe

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          From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

          Hi Joe
          It seems that the fuel pressure code has now gone? Maybe since the fuel filter change? Did you clear that code? I would imagine its more likely that the codes displayed on your reader are not manufacturer specific and may be misleading – the result being that they maybe difficult to rely on. I would check out all the turbo boost hose-work and look for splits and loose connections, these are usually indicated with oil staining and are pretty obvious, look especially on the intercooler and route to the manifold. A boost leak could cause the symptoms you have.
          A little confused,
          All the best
          Steve