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  • From Grant Johnston on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

    I have a Mercedes Sprinter 2010 316 Chassis Cab with a Luton back. It has a flashing engine light on the dash and ODB codes of PBac 07E8 and P2263 07E8. It says the Turbo boost pressure has a fault.

    Our mechanic has changed the EPG Valve and cleaned the Diesel Particulate Filter but the issue still exists. The Turbos seem to be spinning ok and the vacuum tubes seem to be ok.

    When I start the van the two actuators on the turbo don’t move at all even under revs. The engine pinks slightly and not all the time. When I reset the ODB codes all is ok until I put the engine under load (by going up a hill or accelerating over 3500 revs) then the light comes back on and it goes into safe mode.

    The vacuum lines go to a covered box on the right of the engine that needs a E10 star bit to remove it, is it worth checking this and if so how do I do it….

    Any ideas greatly appreciated as none of our local garages seem to know what to do or look for.

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

      Hi Grant,
      The normal state of affairs is that the actuator rod pulls the turbo lever down as soon as you start the engine, but I think you have already worked that out. I had a problem on a luton box with these exact symptoms and it proved to be the turbo was not producing enough boost to sustain the correct pressures and going into limp home. This was the first sign of the turbo needing replacement.(It had gone from occasional limp home to happening more frequently as the turbo got worse) All the other sensors actuators were all fine.
      Can you look at the boost pressure in Live-data? Physically inspect the turbo by spinning it by hand and lifting the inlet impeller to see if it worn, pay special attention to the inside of the housing if there is any marking from the vanes on the inside of the trumpet you will need to replace the turbo. Make sure that there is not excessive oil passage to the inlet tract, pull off the induction hose on the inlet manifold, whilst a little oil is permissible a lot is a an indicator that all is not well.

      The fact that the actuators are moving indicates the control means and vacuum is functioning correctly so my guess is the fault lies in what is causing the limp home and resultantly shutting down the turbo actuation.

      I hope that has been of some use.
      All the best
      Steve

      • From Grant Johnston on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

        Hi Steve,

        The fault still exists and after taking it to 4 garages who have replaced various parts still no joy, so I decided to have a go myself. I have spend a day checking the following.

        Firstly my van is a 2010 316CDI (60 Plate) which does seem to differ from the description about. According to the man at Mercs parts counter it doesn’t have a vacuum pump…

        The fault is neither of the two actuators on the turbo move when the van is started and when its under load it goes into Limp Mode. No fault codes show up on the ODB scanner.

        1. I mentioned before I had a tapping sound, this turned out to be low oil levels and a dirty air filter. One replaced this went away.

        2. I have checked all the rubber pipes and cant find any splits.

        Checked the two actuators on the turbo, if I connect the main vacuum feed from the master cylinder it will move the actuators ok.

        Replaced the two vacuum actuators one at the front of the engine at the top left and one at the right hand side low down at the back. I have between 10.8v and 13v on the wires going to these actuators.

        3. The ECU wires under the dash seem ok, not signs of corrosion etc.

        4. The Turbo again seems of, I looked in the front and can see not scoring and no play detected either in and out or vertically can be felt by hand. Spins ok when the engine starts.

        5. The pipes from the two actuators are fed by a triangular shaped reservoir on the top right of the engine. A vacuum supply is going to this but in its off and running state the actuators seem to be venting to air. Ive replaced this for a new one too.

        I had the please of someone stealing the DPF, sensors and the two vacuum pips on the DPF over xmas so that all new too. Thats another story as to how they opened the bonnet and what they took. I now have two locks fitted to the exhaust and DPF….

        The only bits I haven’t replaced are a valve that is fitted low down on the right hand side of the engine just behind the EGR valve. I also cant work out that is at the other end of the vacuum pip that goes from the brake master cylinder across the engine bay to the bottom of the engine on the right hand side?

        I am really a bit lost now, so any suggestions would be appreciated.

        Cheers

        Grant

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          From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

          Hi Grant,

          The fact that there is no movement of the actuator on start or drive indicates the fundamental problem seems to be that the van could be in Limp mode even before you begin to drive it.

          Interestingly there is a low cost common problem that often causes similar problems and this is the brake light pedal switch. This is a dual switch affair, half of it bringing on the brake lamps and the other signalling the ECU that brakes are applied. Change this switch above the brake pedal or test it out if you are electrically minded. (there are 2 independent sets of contacts in the plunger housing)

          The vac pump sits on the front of the engine and supplies vac boost to the brake servo. This vac is tapped off and used in the turbo boost control and environmental heater flap circuits. It may be the EGR valve is faulty, not closing or is stuck/broken – not uncommon. The valve that controls the turbo boost actuator can be tested to some extent with an ohmmeter for coil continuity but its internal function is more complex and not unknown to failure.

          It is getting to the point where you may need to either pay for the vehicle to be connected to a Star code reader at a good independent garage or purchase an Autel or similar unit to find out exactly where the fault lies. Parts are not cheap and to keep fitting replacement parts on the off chance of a repair is not really financially viable.

          Check that brake switch first then investigate the EGR. Consider your next move carefully, if you intend servicing repairing in the future then a capable MB specialised code reader could be a good investment.

          All the best
          Steve

          • From Grant Johnston on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Hi Steve

            I forgot to mention, I have changed the brake and clutch switches already as I read this in one of your posts. I did this on my Vito when it kept blowing the brake light fuse and it fixed that too.

            The EGR valve has already been changed by one of the garages as they suspected it however it didn’t fix the fault. The EGR value is quite a simple device with as it only has two terminals and can be tested with a multimeter.

            I have paid twice to put it on a star tester but no codes show up except emission issues. The common comment from the garages is its a newish vehicle that they don’t know yet and they don’t seem to know where to start. Unless the Star tester says something specific they are at a loss. The parts are not too bad from Mercedes, it is cheaper if you are willing to change bits yourself especially when a none MB garage charges £60 an hour and they still cant fix it.

            Just one question are you sure the vacuum pump is on the front of the engine as the MB service desk said this model doesnt have one? Can you describe it?

            Many Thanks

            Grant

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            From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Hi Grant,
            Unless I am thinking of entirely the wrong engine, this should be the vac pump here. However I may be mistaken. If the late model you have does not have a vac pump what arrangement do you have for generating vacuum for the brake servo etc?

            Mmm seems as if you are pretty well covered with the basic stuff and have already spent a small fortune getting to the point you already are. I will have to do some thinking and get back to you… Not beaten yet!

            …………

            Have a look here, some interesting reading about faulty backpressure sensor holding off turbo boost: Worth a look, especially as no codes are showing (though I really find it unusual that nothing is reported from MB star)
            http://www.sprinter-rv.com/2013/08/09/sprinter-losing-power-how-to-figure-out-the-problem/
            Steve

            Just a thought you don’t have any BAS ABS ESP related warning lights on as a fault in these systems can hold off the turbo/limit the engine.

          • From Grant Johnston on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Hi Steve, Thanks for your help up to now!! The VAC pump pipe goes between the brake servo mounted on the bulkhead drivers side across the back of the engine and right down to the bottom of the engine on the right. It has a T half way that feeds the triangular vacuum splitter. This has good vacuum pressure it seems to be loosing it from here on. The only buts I haven’t changed are the temp sensor and the last vacuum switch at the back of the engine on the right hand side.

            Its interesting that none of the garages know how to diagnose this or test the various sensors and valves, maybe a tester needs to be developed as these newer vans are going to be unfixable to the smaller garages.

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            From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Hi Grant, with regard the last statement: I think that is what manufacturers want, they no longer make the big bucks in a competitive sales world so have to re-coupe the profits through maintenance and service.

            Do let me know what you find, there should be a non return valve in that main vac line, it is usually at the servo reserve, the accessory vac take off should be forward of that and not taking any part in the non return action – when there is vac there should be vac!

            Regards
            Steve

        • From Paul Hillman on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

          Hi Grant, My son has a 2004 311 Merc and his van has been showing the same simptons, and constantly going into Limp Mode.
          Apart from doing a full service on it for him, yesterday I changed his temperature sensor, the one under the fuel filter. It was very badly worn and coroded. The part cost 5.72 from Euro car parts, and his van is running absolutely fine. He used it all day yesterday and is still out in work tonight and has been driving it since 7am this morning and it is running great and not gone into limp mode.
          Hope this helps, it seems to have solved his problem.

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            From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Thanks for the tip Paul.
            Regards
            Steve

  • From Elman on Mercedes Sprinter Radio Code Decoder

    I need the radio to unlock
    Vin WDB2020261A807046
    S/N: BE3317X1009001

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Radio Code Decoder

      41131 should do the trick, if not try:
      27737
      24333
      or if a 4 digit code 7737

      Regards
      Steve

  • From shiraz on Poor First Gear Selection - Manual Gearbox Problem W639 Vito - Cure

    Hi, Steve
    I’m from South Africa I bought a second hand 94 Vito 115 cdi with 200 000km
    on the clock
    since i bought it the vehicle the vehicle used to jump out of 1st gear on occasions. the 2ndand reverse are slghtly tight. recently i’ts been jumping out more often. the agents say it’s not a common problem and to book the vehicle in. I’m have night mares. Can you shed some light.
    kind regards
    sed.

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      From Steve Ball on Poor First Gear Selection - Manual Gearbox Problem W639 Vito - Cure

      Hi Sed,
      It could be as simple as the correct adjustment of the gear selector operating cables. I would get this checked out first before looking for more serious problems.
      All the best
      Steve

  • From Peter Maessen on Mercedes Diesel Injector Advice - Sprinter and others

    I have a 2005 Vito van which is chuffing and has the black death, do you have specific instructions to rectify this, is it that similar to the Sprinter ?, Here in New Zealand there are few or no mechanics who have dealt with the problem , because there a few Vitos. I am very mechanically minded but need some guide lines

    • From Marko Vukovic on Mercedes Diesel Injector Advice - Sprinter and others

      Hi Peter

      I am in Cape Town, have a ’04 Vito which I’m about to attempt to deal with black death on #1 and #2 injectors. How did you get on?

      • From pstutcher on Mercedes Diesel Injector Advice - Sprinter and others

        I’m happy with it, she’s running again. Here is my best advice:

        1. HOT. Get the engine hot to remove the injector clamp bolt. It’s only 6mm diameter and if you have the black goo already, it has run down the threads – ALL the way down – and has locked that bolt into the threaded hole. When hot, it gets very soft, like thick marshmallow, but is hard as glass when cold, so heat it up by running it to full temp. Trust me on this, I forgot on one and broke it off. This is a pain in the a## you don’t want.

        2. DON’T take the injector head off of the body if you don’t have to. I did and regretted that too. Taking it off exposes several tiny loose bits inside the valve system and without even knowing it, I lost one of them. I killed the injector doing that (I suppose it can be put back together by someone who knows how and has the right pieces, but I’m not that person.) $540 US at the dealer for a new injector.

        3. Stuff a wad of paper towel or small rag down the injector hole while you are cleaning up the goo. You don’t want anything falling into there.

        4. Pull the glow plug on the cylinder you are working on. While you are cleaning out the bore hole for the injector, blow compressed air INTO the glow plug hole. This will push small pieces out the injector hole as you clean it off – again, you don’t want those pieces going into the cylinder, they could end up going through the turbo – don’t want that.

        5. Fish out the old copper washer with a long screwdriver and a piece of metal wire bent into a U at the end.

        6. I found a long metal rod about 18mm dia (I’m guessing here) and glued a piece of sandpaper to the end and trimmed to the same diameter as the rod. I put this down the injector bore and spun it with my fingers while putting some pressure on it to clean up the sealing surface in the head for the new copper washer. Don’t forget the compressed air in the glow plug hole.

        7. Get an M6x1.0 thread tap and chase out the black goo from the injector clamp bolt holes. Run it down in and out, then blow out the hole with compressed air, blow off the tap with air and do it again and again until all the goo is out.

        8. Get the ceramic grease Mercedes specs. I used it for the following: To hold the new copper washer onto the injector tip for re-install; On the body of the injector to make it easier to come out next time; On the threads of the injector bracket hold-down bolt and the threads of the glow plug, both to ease the next removal.

        9. There’s a spec for the torque on the hold down clamp bolt followed by another 90 degree rotation. I don’t have a torque wrench, so I did it by feel, at my own risk. Seems ok.

        10. You will need new bolts, they are torque to yield type. The extra 90 degree rotation permanently stretches the neck of the bolt and they cannot be used again. Obviously new copper seals are a must, they’re really cheap. I ordered and paid for 6 from the dealer. Their distributor shipped them the package quantity of 20 and they just gave them all to me for the price of 6 (I think they were 60 cents US each)

        I left off the engine cover so far and I check it every couple days. The ‘chuffing’ sound that it made when it was leaking is gone and I don’t see any signs of a leak. I’m going to do the seals on all of them one at a time when I have some spare time coming up to prevent them from developing leaks too. Now that I’ve done it, I’m not as afraid of it any longer. 233,000+ miles and still runs great.

        • From Les Briggs on Mercedes Diesel Injector Advice - Sprinter and others

          Great to see some contribution, I used the Honda copper gasket they sit tighter around the injector so they naturally stay located on the injector, when you install it.
          The other day I could not get the ceramic grease so I used some loctite anti seize, trial and error -long term I will have to see how that goes. You did not say how you lifted the injector out, was this with a hydraulic device?

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            From Steve Ball on Mercedes Diesel Injector Advice - Sprinter and others

            Thanks for the info Les,
            I think Pete’s injector came out surprisingly freely once the engine was warm. I always run the engine to normal operating temp then slacken the hold down bolt and run the engine for a while more to allow the combustion pressure to unseat the injector. 8/10 times this works, for the other times – a lot of hard work!
            All the best
            Steve

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          From Steve Ball on Mercedes Diesel Injector Advice - Sprinter and others

          Great write-up, thank you Pete.
          All the best
          Steve

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Diesel Injector Advice - Sprinter and others

      Hi Peter, Currently I have not recorded the operation in either photographic or textual form, however if you have a look on the Sprinter forum I am pretty sure you will find all the help you will need there. You are not on your own ! Join up!http://sprinter-source.com/forum/
      All the best
      Steve

  • From Patrick Haarsma on Poor First Gear Selection - Manual Gearbox Problem W639 Vito - Cure

    I own a 2012 vito with an ecogear 360 manual gearbox. I bought this car new. From the beginning i’am complaining off poor shift from first to second. The dealer can’t do anything they say all those gearboxes has the same problem. Is maybe the solution to change the oil? Can I use carlube ATF-U??
    Please Help.
    The vito now has 55000 km on it.

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      From Steve Ball on Poor First Gear Selection - Manual Gearbox Problem W639 Vito - Cure

      Hi there,
      What I have suggested on many occasions is to drain the oil from the gearbox and keep it. If you try the ATF-U and find its no better, then you can drain it out and replace the original oil. The Ecogear box is just a fancy name for the 6 speed gearbox, the running components are the same as even the DSG unit. Give it a try, whats to lose!

  • From Saulius on Mercedes Sprinter Radio Code Decoder

    I need the radio code to unlock the radio-the vin is WDB9026621R393673
    Thank you.

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Radio Code Decoder

      Can you send me the Becker serial number from the side of the radio?
      Regards
      Steve

  • From Australian Geof on Mercedes Sound 5 Auxillary Audio Input Modification

    I want to upgrade my 2007 Vito V6 W639 from original sound 5 audio to an aftermarket audio with 7” display, BlueTooth Hands Free, GPS, Reverse Camera, etc, but I noticed at last service that MB STAR diagnostics automatically turned sound 5 on and conversed in ‘diagnosis’ text on the sound 5 LED display face panel. (we were checking for faulty glow plugs).
    Question (1); Does an aftermarket audio need features apart from CAN-BUS to converse with STAR to enable ‘diagnostic’ text to also display ?
    Question (2) Which aftermarket 7” audio is the best for the Vito, or should I purchase an MB upgrade ? I don’t want cheap chinese units. Thanks for any info

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sound 5 Auxillary Audio Input Modification

      Hi Geof,
      MB Command / Audio unit is very overpriced for what it can do and there alre many better more capable units available at a fraction of the cost. (With far better GPS and mapping) The radio just needs CANbus for communication to speed control and other small insignificant items. If you have steering wheel controls this can be done with an adapter and a limited range of aftermarket radio head units. Have a look at what you can get in an Android based unit, I notice you don’t want a Chinese radio – Well the Mercedes radio you probably have is Made by Mobis and made in China! Its all about quality – basically you get what you pay for. If you want top quality take a look at Alpine, Kenwood and Pioneer you wont go far wrong here.

      All the best Steve

  • From Geof on Mystery fan noise in cabin when ignition off - Vito W639

    My 2007 Vito has same fan noise coming from left front passenger dashboard area. definitely not from the radio nor cabin air fan so must be ECU related. Thanks Steve for confirmation.

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      From Steve Ball on Mystery fan noise in cabin when ignition off - Vito W639

      This will no doubt be the fan running as described, in the base of the fuse box.
      All the best
      Steve

  • From Rick on Mercedes Sprinter Radio Code Decoder

    Hey I need the code for my becker radio which was bought on Craigs list. The serial number is R1072339 Model BE1492 or BE1492R1072339

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Radio Code Decoder

      Hi there here is the code for that radio – 56662 if it does not work for you try this as an alternative 12224
      or 6668 if a four digit code.
      Regards
      Steve

  • From Tony Ninkovic on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

    2004 Sprinter 2500 no turbo issue. I have taken off every hose to turbo to inspect for leaks. Changed the actuator. Still cannot find the issue. It’s in permanent limp home mode. No check engine lights. Any words or advise?

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

      Hi there, Check the ECU fuse 15a (Blue) under the steering column. There are 2 rows its the right hand row fourth or fifth fuse up I cannot quite remember.
      All the best
      Steve

      • From stojan ninkovic on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

        I found the problem was a broken wire the cable bundle on drivers side top of engine was rubbing against manifold and tore through. Patched that up and turbo responsed as it should! Couldn’t see the tear under the cable at first!

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          From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

          That’s great news, glad you got it sorted Stojan.
          All the best
          Steve