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  • From graham on Vito W639 Reverse Camera Installation

    Hi Steve did this fit on the left or right number plate light recess? I ordered mine up from the link but its designed to fit in the left side,as you look at it from the back,I plan to hack it about a bit to make it fit on the right……great job on the write up

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      From Steve Ball on Vito W639 Reverse Camera Installation

      Hi Graham,
      Correct!, as I mentioned in the text it does need a simple modification (a slot) in the door housing. I did mine with a pair of wire cutters and then pliers to break out a small square section. It was simple to do and actually quite neat, once this was done it simply fitted perfectly in the position furthest from the door hinge.
      Obviously I did not go into great detail with this, as if people were reading this in Europe/USA outside of the UK then the rear door configuration could be different and actually correct fitment for the part as supplied. Glad you found the post useful.
      All the best
      Steve

  • From Nick on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

    Hi Steve
    Had a new turbo today which has sorted the black smoke problem out and low boost pressure, goes like a train, the 616 is the inline 5cyl which doesn’t have an egr, the detonation/pinking noise well I think it is det/pink noise is still there, so questions again…..the knock sensor(Mercs call it a camshaft position sensor) can you tell me more about the symptoms or this playing up and also the air temp sensor. There are no codes,star machine was plugged in today and just had the same codes as before low boost pressure which is now sorted and glow plugs of which two are not working and the tech disconnected the plug a little while ago as the two had gone down but they wouldn’t come out of the head and the tech didn’t want to risk them breaking off in the head so disconnected the plug,apparently in the uk the temp doesn’t go low enough for them to come into play.

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

      Hi Nick,
      Thanks for the update. Glad the smoke/power issue has gone – at least some compensation for the expenditure on the new turbo, well worth It!
      Before trying anything else, run your tank as low as you dare, fill half up with BP Ultimate Diesel and then add a Cetane booster (Like an octane booster for petrol but for diesel) This one is a good one. Don’t bother with the Redex branded booster as it only specs a Max Cetane boost of 2, the Millers specs a 5. Let it run for a few miles and see if that cures the pinking noise. Some diesels seem to favour better performance diesel fuel than the ‘Supermarket Stuff’ If its no different then begin to look at the components that control the injection timing. You have new/recon injectors so they are out. Cam sensor and Crank Position Sensor are the only other links in the chain. Almost every van I have seen over 10 years old has no working glow plugs! They all start and run fine – ask any courier company with the older model sprinters. So discount this and not worth the risk of replacing/fixing. The intake air temperature sensor is in the intake tract and would flag a code if faulty. I bet you are running your 616 on low quality diesel. (just a guess – don’t shoot me down!) Try the Cetane booster and monitor the effect. You are getting there !!
      All the best
      Steve

      • From Nick on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

        Hi Steve again……

        I run the sprinter on shell diesel only and once a week run it on the nitro diesel, I’ve used millers octane booster before and can’t say it has made a difference, the noise it makes is difficult to describe and mainly does it on what I would term neutral throttle, In between acceleration and not. It’s so frustrating, it’s driving my (friend) Merc tech mad

        • From Nick on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

          Hi Steve,
          Just for your knowledge and folk on here the noise which had been there for sometime gradually got worse on Thursday morning and she finally let go(no.5 piston ). I’m a little disappointed with only 300k on the clock but when I bought the truck it had 120k on it and who knows the history of that mileage and 9years. Anyhow what are the best tips for running in the new 5cyl lump which is new from Mercs?

          • From Dan Cowper on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Hi Steve.
            I also have the Sprinter 616cdi here in New Zealand. This one had the problem of cutting out altogether at random times while driving. I don’t believe I have done anything to fix this issue however from the beginning of winter, or the colder days this problem has vanished 100 percent. Its as if the air intake temperature had something to do with it…..Anyway, I was looking forward to how it would react in the summer months but I now have a bigger problem. I stalled truck in 1st gear, it took about 20 sec to restart then was sluggish. Then just as I was realising this it gave the death rattle! Could it have jumped a tooth on timing chain? Am I hearing valves hitting pistons? We are about to pull engine out and start stripping. Will look for damages then asses what to do from there but am thinking another engine. Is there a good workshop manual around which will guide me regards engine work? Thanks. Dan.

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            From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Hi Dan,
            Good luck with the rebuild, the best resource for Manuals and info will be here Sounds like cam chain issues as you report. Be interesting to hear what is the result of your investigations. I hope the links to the info covers all you need – if not with a little thought most of the info can be applied to your model as a great deal of the ancillaries and parts configurations are common between models.
            All the best
            Steve

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            From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Oh dear!
            That is sad news. So what I guess you were hearing as ‘pinking’ was in fact the little-end of No.5 beginning to oval. That’s how it is some times sadly, we would all do with X-ray eyes!

            With regard to running in, just use common sense, don’t labour or over-rev it. The extract from the Mercedes Handbook shows the following:
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            Running-in

            It is of decisive importance for the operating life, reliability and economy of the vehicle that the engine is not subjected to its full rated load during the running-in period.

            Up to 1,500 km

            Run the vehicle in carefully. Drive at varying road and engine speeds.

            Avoid heavy loads (driving at full throttle) and high engine speeds. Do not exceed 3/ 4 of the maximum speed available for each gear.

            Change gear in good time.

            Do not change down a gear manually in order to brake.

            Avoid depressing the accelerator pedal beyond the pressure point on vehicles with an automatic transmission (kickdown) and only engage gear 4, 3, 2 or 1 while driving slowly.
            After 1,500 km

            Gradually bring the vehicle up to full road and engine speeds.

            These instructions must also be observed if you have the engine, the transmission or the rear axle differential of your vehicle replaced.
            ……………………………………………..

            Good luck with it Nick its a shame it ended this way but at least you will know its history from here forward! Drop the oil and change the filter after 3k if you want to really do the job right as it will rid it of all the running-in debris.

            All the best
            Steve

  • From Tom Elliott on Mercedes Benz Sound 5 Radio CD Player HA1111 Hidden Test Mode Menu

    Hi Steve,
    Many thanks for this very helpful information. I stumbled across your site whilst looking for something else, and very glad I did!
    I now have the AUX input that had been previously fitted in my vito, working. It literally took me a minute to do, so thanks.

    I have one further question that you may or may not be able to answer.
    Whilst scrolling through the test mode menu I decided to switch the AMP output on. I connected the yellow iso connector for pins 1-6 and hooked up an amp and speakers. No joy. – Do you know if the sound 5 stereo has the hardware within to drive an amp, or this just something in the carry over software?
    Any thoughts/comments would be appreciated.
    Many thanks
    Tom Elliott.

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Benz Sound 5 Radio CD Player HA1111 Hidden Test Mode Menu

      Hi Tom,
      Glad you found it informative reading.
      I must admit I don’t know the answer to your question regarding the low level audio output. Having assumed, like you, that as the pins were there and the radio option available in the menu, I do kind of find it strange that it does not give at least RCA audio level outputs. Did you try these pin outs for the yellow connector?: http://www.mercedes.gen.in/WP35/other-stuff/mercedes-audio-iso-wiring-connections/

      There is reference to an upgrade speaker system for the Vito and you would imagine you could specify it for either radio head unit. At least that’s how I understand the text. http://www.mercedes-benz.com.kw/content/kuwait/mpc/mpc_kuwait_website/en/home_mpc/van/home/new_vans/models/mpvs/viano_639/overview/comfort.0004.html

      This mentions an amplifier mounted under the front seat and extra speakers I assumed upgrade available for all head options.

      I will have to dig out my spare set and fire it up and see what happens. Meantime if you get anywhere before I do please let me know your findings.

      All the best Steve.

      • From Tom Elliott on Mercedes Benz Sound 5 Radio CD Player HA1111 Hidden Test Mode Menu

        Hi Steve,

        Sorry for the late reply!
        Yes I did use the pin outs shown on the Merc Iso connections sheet, but with no joy.

        I haven’t had chance yet to revisit this, so will keep you posted if I have any success when I do.

        Tom

        • From Dima on Mercedes Benz Sound 5 Radio CD Player HA1111 Hidden Test Mode Menu

          Hello Tom,

          Did You manage to connect to low level audio outs of SOUND 5? I have found ISO wiring diagram and was so anxious to upgrade my Vito sterio system, it’s a pity if it not works.

          Dima

  • From Nickp on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

    Hi Steve, I have a 2004 sprinter 616cdi ,295,000km and it’s had an issue for many months now which is very frustrating, my friend works for Mercedes as a van and truck tech and cannot solve the issue. So here goes it makes a noise like pinking but it isnt, it had 5 new injectors 7weeks ago it can make the noise from cold but sometimes it doesnt, it’s had a new fuel line the one that comes from the centre of the fuel filter and goes to the lift pump(front top of engine) cos leaking sorted now. It had a new boost transducer 5 weeks ago but didn’t sort the problem the truck goes into limp home under heavy load normally 2000revs ish. It’s had a new boost pressure sensor didn’t sort problem. I’m at my wits end, next is new turbo which I’m ready to do but will be really peeved if it doesn’t sort the issue, also it lack power below 2k and chucks out a lot of black smoke. Hope you can help, also are you based in the uk? Could I come to you as I transport cars and I’m all over the uk

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

      Hi Nick,

      That’s quite a rare beast you have there! What you describe are classic EGR valve symptoms, but I am unsure if that model has EGR fitted. I am sure your Tech guy will have the info if he hasn’t checked this already.

      I wonder if you have read any codes using Star? I assume there is no EDC lamp on the dash.

      In addition to the bits and pieces to check listed in the main post, the noise could be related to a timing issue and if no codes I would swap out the knock sensor at the back of the head/block, (again not sure if this model will have this sensor not sure what year it was introduced) this detects the pre detonation noise and adjusts the CDI injector timing to compensate – could be that. I would possibly have expected a light and a code to be thrown though, but who knows.

      It may be worth looking at the intercooler (inside it) and looking to see if its restricted or blocked or as I have found on some high milers half-full of oil, especially if its had had a turbo blow in its lifetime! Its quite an easy task to take this off if you don’t have AC, so wont take you much time to test/look. I would only suspect this if the problem is there all the time and not intermittent.

      Black smoke means too much fuel or not enough air – also pointing to an EGR valve issue that when faulty causes smoke, poor performance and pinging noises (if you have one fitted!).

      Its worth pulling the ECU from under the dash and removing the connectors, some times the bulkhead grommet allows water in to run down the loom into the connectors causing corrosion/bad connections. Remove the loom plugs and have a look at the pins of the ECU and clean off any corrosion/green that you find.

      Your tech should be able to test the boost pressure by measuring the voltage on the boost pressure sensor (pins pushed into the wires) or read the pressure directly from a OBD scanner/STAR reader and so prove that the Turbo is OK and producing boost in the allowable range. Double check the turbo pipework/hoses and look for leaks – especially in the pipes that join the intercooler. Oily mess deposits around hose clips or joints usually indicate boost leaks. Make sure the intercooler hasn’t taken a stone hit and is leaking, again some dark oil staining will usually indicate a problem. Inspect the inlet manifold and its seals/gaskets, especially the plastic blanking plate/end cover at the back (bulkhead end on 4 cyl model, though I think yours is a 5 cyl) that often pushes its O ring out if the van has ever backfired.

      Try those few things these don’t entail much cost and if the fault persists rely on your guy with the code reader !

      Let me know how you get on.
      All the best
      Steve

  • From Martin on Mercedes Sound 5 Auxillary Audio Input Modification

    Hello

    How do I remove the Sound 5 from the dashboard in a 2010 Vito? Whitout damage everything in the car 🙂

    Thank you for a great tutorial of the test mode menu and how to with the AUX!

    Br Martin

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sound 5 Auxillary Audio Input Modification

      Hi there Martin,
      I would imagine the same procedure as the one in the 2008 model. You will first need to remove the clip-on plastic trim that surrounds the perimeter of the radio, carefully lever this off using a trim puller or thin plastic spatula. Once this is removed the fixing screws are visible and everything there on in is straight forward. See here this describes how to remove the radio to get to the heater control etc.

      Best Regards
      Steve

      • From Martin on Mercedes Sound 5 Auxillary Audio Input Modification

        Hi!

        Thank you for your fast reply! I will test this next week.
        Happy new year!

        Br Martin

  • From Ali on Vito W639 Reverse Camera Installation

    Many thanks, Steve.

    I will follow your advice.

    Ali

  • From Ali on Vito W639 Reverse Camera Installation

    These are the best instructions I have seen for how to fit a reversing camera in a W639!

    Just one question – what colour is the reversing lamp wire that needs to be tapped for the camera power supply?

    Rest of the site is good reading too, when is the next mod happening?

    Cheers
    Ali

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      From Steve Ball on Vito W639 Reverse Camera Installation

      Hi Ali,

      Thanks for the feedback, glad you found it of use. The wiring colours for the rear light cluster on the W639 Vito can be found here, just pick up on the reverse light circuit and take that as your camera feed (White/Blue Wire). Obviously it only becomes live when reverse is selected. You can use an in-line fuse holder to protect the reverse circuit should the camera have a problem, this can all lie in the rear door behind the panel card.

      All the best
      Steve

  • From Iffy on Poor First Gear Selection - Manual Gearbox Problem W639 Vito - Cure

    I have the same problem in first and reverse on a c180k coupe 04 do u know where I would purchase this oil in the uk?

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      From Steve Ball on Poor First Gear Selection - Manual Gearbox Problem W639 Vito - Cure

      Hi there,

      This ATF is supplied in the UK through GSF Ltd, If you look here you will be able to find your local store.

      I would imagine your C class is a face-lift model and if this is the case the manual transmission selector mechanism 04-on was modified and no adjustment is needed. However you might just check the mechanism (ball and socket) for wear beneath the gear stick. Selector system post face-lift 04-on. It seems strange that 1st and Reverse are difficult to engage as they both lie at the far upper left of the gate. Maybe there is some problem here with the selector mechanism and the issue does not lie internally to the gearbox. Well worth a look.

      All the best
      Steve.

      • From Iffy on Poor First Gear Selection - Manual Gearbox Problem W639 Vito - Cure

        Hi Steve,

        Yes my C-Class is a faceplate model. However, the gears shift fine when the engine is a bit warmer, it is only from a cold start that I experience problems shifting into first, second or reverse. It just won’t go in and requires excessive force. I have read some owners having luck by removing a quantity of gearbox oil. I may try this also as well as changing for a synthetic gearbox oil.

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          From Steve Ball on Poor First Gear Selection - Manual Gearbox Problem W639 Vito - Cure

          Hi There,
          Good luck with your experimentation. I guess the lay shaft for the First and Second gears and also maybe reverse, is possibly physically higher up the gear box. In dropping the oil level maybe the upper gear sets could get less splash-lube at low revs and ‘drag’ a little on the shafts, thus assisting in meshing the gears (allowing them to get up to speed) and select a little easier. Worth a try!
          All the Best
          Steve

  • From Howard Bone on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

    Hi Steve,

    Just wanted to thank you for your excellent article re the LHM on my 2004 Sprinter. After replacing a split charge air hose I still had the loss of power and low revs etc. and spent many hours looking for the fault and was about to take it to my local auto shop and spend hundreds of dollars, before I read your article. It was easy to follow and very logical, I followed all the steps and found the Vacuum Boost Actuator was stuck. I sprayed the turbo linkage end with CRC226 (WD40)etc. a penetrating fluid and after much wiggling the lever became unstuck. Its now back to normal and been ok for quite a few trips.
    You have saved me a lot of money, if you come to Brisbane Australia, the drinks are on me. Thank you very much,
    Have a nice Christmas and Happy New Year.
    Cheers,
    Howard Bond

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      From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

      Hi Howard,
      Thanks for kind words, I am glad it helped you out with the LHM issue and you managed to fix it yourself!
      I may one day even take you up on the offer of that beer !
      All the best
      Steve

      • From Paul on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

        Hi Steve,

        Since my last comment I’ve changed the EGR valve. Also followed ( more like tried to follow) vaccum pipes. There is a pipe that goes from EGR valve to some sort of valve ( could it be some sort of actuator?) . From there there are two pipes disappear into the tangle of wires (possibly to do with heater flap control?). When I start the engine ( with the new egr valve) the egr valve diaphragm pulses for a couple of times and then stays open). This makes me think the vaccum actuator maybe working.

        There is small vaccum pipe that goes from the turbo actuator into the inlet part of the turbo. There are no other connections to the actuator. The rod does not appear to move and could be stuck. Could a vaccum pump be used to check this?

        As far as I could seethere are no vaccum related items / piping under the airbox. I do not know where they have all disappeared :). A lot of vaccum pipes seem to go into an area under the windscreen. As this is a Hymer motorhome maybe the layout of the piping is different.

        I’ve got a well known publisher’s workshop manual but it is pretty thin on details for a novice. It probably would be just the job if I am into rebuilding engines and gearboxes but I am no where near that skill level :(.

        Just wondered if you have any suggestions on where/how to get a detailed workshop manual for a 312d.

        Thanks for all your help and advice
        Paul

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          From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

          Hi Paul,
          Have a look here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056973504 post #20 specifically. It looks as if the actuator could be the place to start now. There is a chance the layout of the Hymer is different than the stock vehicle as it maybe has a different front (body) section. If you pull the pipe off the actuator you should be able to move the actuator with firm finger pressure, if not then investigate further.

          Most of the MB manuals other than the Haynes are written from extracts from the manufacturers documentation and as such don’t get any more ‘understandable’ than the one you have. Follow the links menu on the top of this page (far right) and click on the Sprinter Information Resource link – Download the 2003 Sprinter Manuals .zip file. This covers models from year 2000 and should have many common sections and chapters.

          If you have no luck with the actuator then take a few digital pictures and email them over of the vac piping and where they go and we will see if we can investigate further. steve@mercedes.gen.in Did I mention about checking the brake light switch above the pedal? Not even sure if it plays a part in the turbo control of the early engine configuration but I am assuming yes. If it is a switch with more than two wires exiting from it, the answer is it probably is included in the control circuit, so for what it costs change it. (V. Common problem indeed, the ecu thinks the brake is on and holds off the turbo) Its a twin switch contact affair and even though the brake lamps are working the secondary contact in the switch could have collapsed.

          All the best
          Steve

      • From Paul on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

        Hi Steve,

        Since my last comment re diagnostic scanner I’ve discovered that the EGR valve is faulty ( hole in the diaphragm) and soot in that area. Have ordered a new one.

        I have also discovered a vaccum pipe going nowhere. Do all 312d Sprinters have Vaccum reservoirs ? Could it be that the vaccum pipe mentioned above was intented to be connected to a reservoir?

        Thought I’d check and rectify as many issues as possible before taking it to MB diagnostics to get the codes read ( and hopefully cleared ).

        Many Thanks
        Paul

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          From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

          Hi Paul,
          Sounds like you are getting some where!

          From the brake servo vac connection should be a T piece (Actually more like a Y) that is a take off that supplies both the turbo actuator and heater flap/vent controls in the cab. The upper direction of the pipe feeds the cab/under-dash and following the pipe downward should take you to the Turbo actuator under the air box. There should also be a vac reserve sphere here to, often green sometimes black. About the size of a tennis ball with one pipe connection. If you have a floating pipe it could be the vent pipe that goes from the actuator to an area just inside the curve of the bulkhead as it slopes towards the gearbox. (LHS as you are looking into the engine bay UK versions) Usually this terminates in a connection to a small filter unit about the size of a cotton bobbin fastened to the upper bulkhead.

          Hopefully this will help you trace where that pipe should be.

          All the best
          Steve

      • From Paul on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

        Hi Steve,

        I have a 312d based motorhome which is suffering from lack of power issue. We only recentlyacquired it and the service history is patchy. I’am following this thread with much interest and will take a look at the turbo actuator. Is there a a cheapo diagnostic code reader that works with these vehicles ?

        Thanks
        Paul

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          From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

          Hi Paul,
          The best low to mid end solution you can get for your money is the Autel unit. There are a couple of Autel Maxidaiag readers available, the first is for European vehicles only then there is one for all makes. Either will do the job well and also cover transmission and ABS/SRS which is handy! $250 to $300 USD which returns quite quickly if you intend to maintain the vehicle yourself. My opinion – Don’t waste any money on a cheapo $50 unit as they will misread and mislead you as they are not 100 per cent compatible with MB models.
          All the best
          Steve

          • From Paul on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Hi Steve,

            I purchased the MD702 unit and to read the codes. Unfortunately it was unsuccessful in communicating with the ECU and/or retrieving the codes.

            The good thing was I was able to return the unit and get a full refund.

            My only option seems to be to take it to Mercedes dealer to get the codes read as none of the independents have the diagnostic reader for a “sprinter of that age” 🙂 .

            Thanks for all your advice.

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            From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Hi Paul,
            That is very interesting, and fortunate that you got a refund. I wonder if the very early models pre-99 were OBD1 and later changed to OBD2 compliance? When you get to the dealer just ask this if you can as it may be possible in the future to get an older OBD1 reader and mate it to the 14 pin connector. – just a thought.
            Many thanks for the info and do report back from time to time.
            All the best
            Steve

          • From Paul on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Hi Steve,

            I’ve written to Autel UK requesting that they recommend a model that is known to work with a Pre 2000 Sprinter. Their reply was that because of my sprinter being old ( 903) chassis only their high end code reader ( £1250 ) would work.

            I’ve written to another reputable company in Wales and they said that they are sorry but they cannot help with any suggestions because of the age of the Sprinter.

            I’ve been searching all over the internet over the last week to find a autel scanner costing around the £200 – £300 mark but more importantly is likely to work with early sprinter and have met a dead end.

            I’d appreciate it very much if you could give me the model number of the Autel scanner.

            Thanks
            Paul

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            From Steve Ball on Mercedes Sprinter Turbo - Limp Home - Diagnosis and Fault Finding

            Hi Paul,
            Here is the unit I use, it so far has been compatible with all Sprinters I have used it on. (CDI Turbo Engines) http://www.auteltech.com/Professional%20Scan%20Tools/365.jhtml The covered models in the Sprinter range of the Maxidaiag MD702 are shown on the opening static picture of the video on this page, http://www.mercedes.gen.in/WP35/sprinter-t1n-faulty-injector-electrical-connector-intermittent-limp-home/ this video is taken of the unit I use. If you can satisfy yourself that your model is covered (it should be) then this is the tool for you!
            All the best
            Steve

  • From Peter Maessen on Poor First Gear Selection - Manual Gearbox Problem W639 Vito - Cure

    I have the same issues with 1st 2nd and reverse gear hard to select, but cannot find this thinner gear oil in New Zealand.

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      From Steve Ball on Poor First Gear Selection - Manual Gearbox Problem W639 Vito - Cure

      Hi Peter,
      I have had a quick look and this oil (Super-S SuperSyn) meets the ATF-U Spec and should be available in NZ. Link – Click Here
      All the best
      Steve